[Clfs-dev] [lfs-dev] Hello and Japanese translation info

[Michio Matsuyama]

----- Original Message -----

> From: Julien Lepiller <roptat at lepiller.eu>
> To: CLFS development discussion <clfs-dev at lists.clfs.org>
> Cc: 
> Date: 2017/5/19, Fri 19:15
> Subject: Re: [Clfs-dev] [lfs-dev]  Hello and Japanese translation info
> 
> Le 2017-05-19 04:18, Michio Matsuyama a écrit :
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> 
>>>  From: Julien Lepiller <roptat at lepiller.eu>
>>>  To: LFS Developers Mailinglist 
> <lfs-dev at lists.linuxfromscratch.org>
>>>  Cc: CLFS development discussion <clfs-dev at lists.clfs.org>
>>>  Date: 2017/5/18, Thu 20:59
>>>  Subject: Re: [Clfs-dev] [lfs-dev]  Hello and Japanese translation info
>>> 
>>>>   Also, have cc'd this to lfs-dev list, as there was discussion 
> there
>>>>   recently ('Tue, May 16, 2017 at 5:15 PM', Julien Lepiller, 
> Martin
>>>  Qi)
>>>>   about co-ordinating some aspects of translations.
>>> 
>>>  Hi Michio,
>>> 
>>>  I'm the coordinator of the French translation team.
>>> 
>>>  Since last year, we use this website to work on the french translation 
> of LFS
>>>  and BLFS: https://translate.linuxfromscratch.org. The result can be 
> seen here:
>>>  http://fr.linuxfromscratch.org/view/lfs-svn.
>>> 
>>>  We find that using Pootle (the service the translation website uses) 
> helps a lot
>>>  with reviews and working together on the project. We currently track 
> only the
>>>  development version of LFS and BLFS. A robot refreshes untranslated 
> strings each
>>>  night and translates some of them automatically, which reduces the work 
> load.
>>>  This process allows us to publish a translation of both stable books 
> usually one
>>>  day after the release of the English one. I also periodically manually 
> upload
>>>  development versions.
>>> 
>>>  I'd love to see an international community of LFS translators, and 
> it'd
>>>  be great if we could use the same tools. I'm especially interested 
> in what
>>>  kind of tools you used and how we can all improve the quality and
>>>  maintainability of our translations.
>>> 
>>>  Would you like to discuss this on IRC? If we need to coordinate, 
> I'm in
>>>  Paris timezone, UTC+0200. I guess you're in UTC+0900? I'm 
> supposed to
>>>  talk with Martin (who's working on the Chinese translation) this 
> week-end,
>>>  so I'd be happy if you could join our conversation too. In any 
> case, you can
>>>  ping me (roptat) anytime.
>>> 
>>>  Kind regards,
>>>  Julien Lepiller
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>  Clfs-dev mailing list
>>>  Clfs-dev at lists.clfs.org
>>>  http://lists.clfs.org/listinfo.cgi/clfs-dev-clfs.org
>>> 
>>  Hi Julien,
>> 
>>  I thank you for telling me the translation site Pootle.
>>  I heard about it for the first time.  It seems to be
>>  very nice and energetic work.
>> 
>>  Though I have translated CLFS book into Japanese,
>>  I am not good at English, especially speaking and also
>>  writing.  To tell the truth, I am just writing this
>>  sentence using the Google translating site!
>> 
>>  I am so sorry that I cannot join your conversation on
>>  chat because of my lack of ability to speak English.
>> 
>>  The translation works for CLFS is always my interest
>>  and your post really is very interesting for me.  It is
>>  needed for me the time for learning what the Pootle is,
>>  and how the Pootle realize to translate, and so on.
>> 
>>  I can not express my idea well, sorry.
>> 
>>  regards,
>>  matsu
>> 
>> 
>>  ---
>>  Michio Matsuyama
>>  michio_matsuyama AT yahoo DOT co DOT jp
> 
> It'd be too bad if we couldn't find a way to communicate properly, so 
> let's try something:
> 
> 道夫さん、
> 
> 私は日本語少し喋れるから、日本語で話しましょう。全部分かりませんから、辞書は必要です。IRCはきっと無理ですけど、メールで時間がいっぱいありますから、分かるはずです。
> 
> Pootleについて、今フランス語だけありますけど、同じサイトにべつの語にも翻訳できます。毎日ロボットは英語の本をダウンロードして、一部の変更を翻訳して、Pootleをアップデートします。そひて、皆は働ける。LFSのロボットは「http://fr.linuxfromscratch.org/websvn/filedetails.php?repname=svn+LFS-FR&path=%2Ftrunk%2Flfs%2FMakefile」にいます。
> 
> LFSには、自動翻訳が余りありません。BLFSには、自動翻訳が¼ぐらいできる。
> 
> Pootleはpo形式(gettext)を使います。poファイルを作る為に、po4aと言うプログラムを使います。そして、フランスのxmlファイルを作る為に、po4aも使います。ctieの様に働きます。英語のMakefileとentファイルをコピーして、ちょっと変わって、フランスの本を作ります。
> 
> 翻訳スクリーンの左に、語彙があります。たとえば、「https://translate.linuxfromscratch.org/fr/lfs/translate/chapter03/introduction.po#unit=126557&offset=0」。
> 
> 問題があったら、右に説明があります。たとえば、xmlを間違えるときに、スクリーンは赤いになります。ホームパージに赤い問題の数見ることができます。青い問題は、今翻訳がありませんと言う意味です。それはとても便利だと思います。
> 
> 
> It's been two year since I last tried to speak japanese, so it probably 
> sounds weird, sorry. It took me like two hours to write that, but it was fun :). 
> Please tell me if there is any mistake (like, how would you say "one 
> fourth"?) and if that sounds too formal.
> 
> also maybe we could continue this conversation privately if we continue in 
> japanese ;)
> 
> regards,
> Julien Lepiller
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> 

Hi Julien,

Big surprise to read your Japanese mail!
I thank you for your kindness to explain the Pootle and
the example of the french translation things.

As you mentioned, I think this discussion should continue
to mail each other privately, not on this mailing list if
we write in Japanese.

I will mail you after seeking the Pootle site 

in a several days.


Regards,
matsu

---
Michio Matsuyama
michio_matsuyama AT yahoo DOT co DOT jp