[Clfs-dev] Embedded with EGLIBC - Testers Wanted

[Rob Landley]

On 10/07/2013 07:43:29 AM, Andrew Bradford wrote:
> > I'm not sure if an openembedded tutorial is a CLFS project - but if  
> you
> > managed it your praises would be sung far and wide.
> 
> Which would be sad, as I thought that was half the point of Yocto.   
> But
> Yocto docs, as far as I can tell, are quite horrible to actually learn
> anything from.  I should read them again and see if that's changed.

Yocto is a total sideshow.

Moblin, Maemo, Meego, Tizen, Yocto, and you expected much out of it?  
This is the fifth "not android" these guys have tried. Intel's "moblin"  
joined Nokia's Maemo to form the Linux Foundation's Meego. Then the  
Linux Foundation cancelled that in favor of Tizen. Then Intel announced  
Yocto, following up on the success of lesswatts.org. (You'll probably  
need archive.org for that last one.) What all of these projects have in  
common is that Android installs more new seats each day than they do  
cumulatively since their introduction, and the gap is _widening_.

The interesting lineage is  
mainframe->minicomputer->micro/PC->smartphone, and the smartphone OS on  
our side of the fence is Android. Where is Yocto in this story?  
Announcing yocto was like announcing a new minicomputer OS in 1993. So  
what? At least OpenMoko (this generation's OS/2) was targeting the  
right niche. (The Firefox and Ubuntu phone guys are more in the BeOS  
mold: "dude, that ship has sailed".)

Wake me when the yocto guys start talking about leveraging containers  
to run their chroot alongside an android root filesystem to interact  
through a virtual network or something. Or maybe cleaning up the  
android build to supplement the giant hairball with some less broken  
packages while still running the legacy apps...

(Meanwhile,the previous platform gets kicked up into the server space  
by the new one people actually have in front of them. This time the  
process is being called "the cloud", named after a large server at NSA  
headquarters everyone uploads all their data to. Conventional linux  
distros move to The Cloud so the NSA can monitor them more easily, and  
there's still plenty of money in big iron, but Yocto isn't really  
targeting that either. At that end of things the story is there's only  
one server space, so when DEC got kicked up to it IBM won but kept the  
minicomputer technology, and now IBM is losing to Amazon now that  
beowulf clusters have VMs that can do live migration and dynamic  
provisioning.)

Rob